# World Cup Uncensored: Argentina's 'Disgrace' vs Spain's Class & England's Miss
**Source:** https://youtu.be/meL9_qq3PvM?si=1lrWZTd2R7gcu9K7

## Summary

Piers Morgan, Simon Jordan, and John Terry conduct an 'ultimate inquest' into the World Cup final, with Morgan and Terry lambasting Argentina's conduct and performance while praising Spain's class. The panel also discusses England's near-miss in the tournament and the differing philosophies of winning in football.

- Piers Morgan vehemently labels Argentina's conduct and performance in the World Cup final as an 'utter disgrace,' citing Messi going 'missing' and their 'repulsively inflammatory' Malvinas banner.
- Morgan praises Spain for their 'utter class,' conceding only one goal in the tournament and displaying 'splendid decorum' on and off the pitch.
- Simon Jordan agrees with Morgan's critical view of Argentina's behavior but argues for a 'deep-seated desire to seem to want to win and overcome adversity' even if it means playing 'ugly.'
- Jordan expresses a preference for winning by any means over the 'mentality of we come second, we're very good participants,' which he attributes to England.
- Jordan finds Argentinian manager Scaloni's tears after the final 'slightly farcical,' questioning his emotional display given the team's approach.
- John Terry agrees with Morgan that Argentina was 'there to be beat' and that England, with fully fit players like Saka and Declan Rice, could have defeated them.
- Terry highlights the frustration among England supporters, believing England was 'better than them man to man' against Argentina.
- The discussion is presented as the 'final episode of World Cup Uncensored' and features Piers Morgan, Simon Jordan, and John Terry.

## Transcript

[[0:00]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=0s) You're probably going to spontaneously combust when I do say it. I would consider Lee Ksley. >> And do I agree with foreign managers managing the national side? I probably don't. But if you're going down that route, you only go and get the best. And if he's available, you have to go and get him to meet me. Well, welcome to the final episode of World Cup Uncensored. What an amazing few weeks it's been both for the World Cup and for this show. The last episode got nearly a million views, which is massively higher than any other World Cup online show. So, thank you uh for watching from me, from Simon Jordan, from John Terry. We've had an absolute blast and we've got some little plans in the works which we will reveal more as the next few weeks go on. But for now, we're going to have the ultimate inquest into the ultimate competition. So, welcome back to Simon Jordan and John Terry. How are you, chaps?

[[1:00]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=60s) >> Very well, thank you. >> Simon, you good? >> Yeah. Yeah, very well. I'm in Spain peers, which had its consequences because I'm surrounded by celebrating Spaniards, which has got right on my nerves. >> Well, I got to say I thought last night was fascinating, wasn't it? Let's start with you, Simon, here because on one level you had the Spanish, who I thought throughout the tournament proved themselves to be comfortably the best team. They conceded one goal in the entire tournament. They displayed utter class at all times. They conducted themselves on and off the pitch, I thought, with uh splendid decorum and class. And on the other side, you had the Argentinians who frankly were last night an utter disgrace. Uh useless actually in the final. Messi went missing. Um they were nasty as they have been the whole tournament. I hating what they did with the Malina's banner uh after beating England. I thought that was repulsively inflammatory. Uh I love the fact they got their cameuppants. I thought what happened last night at the end of the match when they basically just went around whacking as many Spanish players as they could was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in World Cup history. So, you know, I saw the Argentine manager Scaloney in tears after us, Messi in tears, and I think crocodile tears. You You guys deserve no sympathy from us for the way you conducted themselves in this entire tournament. Am I wrong?

[[2:26]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=146s) >> No, I don't think you're wrong. I mean, on a human level, you think about people's emotions. On a football level, you think about humans emotions, people's emotions, and then you stand back from it. And I stand with the same perspective as you, which I don't have any empathy. But they're not looking for empathy for whatever reason. Scalon was crying at that press conference. He sent a team out that had no intention of trying to win the game that behaved in a certain way and then sits at a press conference crying because the outcome hasn't been what he anticipated it would be. I find it slightly farical. But if that the other side of the equation, peers, is we can dress it up however we want. They can they are renowned for tears and histrionics,

[[3:00]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=180s) >> but they win World Cups and they get to World Cup finals. >> Well, yeah, but they lost. They get to World Cup finals, Pierce, they win World Cups, you know, whether whether whether they lost or they didn't lose in this individual match, evidently they did. The fact of the matter is they're in a World Cup final and for whatever reason, for whatever reason, and we haven't seen you since the um England disappointment on on Wednesday night, which myself and John and Graham Sunnis pulled to pieces,

[[3:26]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=206s) >> you know, there's a part of me would rather lose um by being ugly than win by being pretty and happy and nice and playing the game in a certain way. I want to win in the best possible way, peers, but I want to win. I'm tired of this mentality of we come second, we're very good participants. And so, whilst I don't like the ugliness and the uncoutheness and the identifying stat stats of some of the Argentinian players, there is at least a deep-seated desire to seem to want to win and overcome adversity rather than succumb to it. Well, you know what I thought, John? Uh, John, is because I I thought your show was fascinating the other day and it got me huge numbers because it made so much news. Um, but I I I've taken a slightly different view about this. I think that we were 5 minutes away from reaching the final and we can criticize all sorts of aspects to the final 20 minutes or so of what happened, but nobody would have continued down that narrative train if we'd actually got through those last five minutes. And what really pissed me off watching last night was just how mediocre Argentina actually are. They're not a great team and actually the way that Spain just played them off the park, controlled the ball, nullified the threats, completely silenced Messi was a template in how to do it. My question for you, John, is when you watched England against France in that bonkers game where we're 4-0 up, then they come charging back, eventually we win 6-4, we're playing endless free free flowing football and so on. But a fully fit sacker, a fully fit Declan Rice. If they had been fully fit for the Argentina game, playing the way they did against France, I think we could have won that game. Your thoughts?

[[5:09]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=309s) >> Be I'm in agreement and I think that's the frustration from all the England supporters. As I said it before, the Argentina, I didn't fear Argentina like I did kind of maybe four years ago or or previously to that. I thought they were a side that were there to be beat. They have a superstar in Messi who can produce brilliance at any moment, which we see in the last 10 minutes. But manto man, I still stand by it. We were better than them. And listen, they were very poor against Spain. I think that's the frustration

[[5:35]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=335s) >> from the from the England supporters. I think the manager has been saved by uh by not getting too much thick from the supporters in winning that game against France. But I actually can't believe there's been no scrutiny in this France game because at 4 up at Halime, you know that France are going to come out and they're going to give absolutely everything in the second half. And after the first goal, 48 minutes I think it was, then 54, then 66, I'm screaming going, we need defenders on the pitch even even after the first goal goes in. So from a tactical point of view from the manager again, I think he got this game completely wrong. Yes, for a neutral I think it was end to end and it was brilliant to watch. But from a defensive point of view, I'm going get Elliot Anderson on, get in next to Declan Rice, soak it up a little bit, take the sting out of it because they had the they had their tail between their legs France and and we've seen throughout this competition they can score goals. So I'm frustrated as as the average England fan as well because listen, you get to the final against Spain, you you have a small chance. I think they were the favorites going into it and I think they were very good all the way through it. But I believe we we we should have beaten Argentina.

[[6:45]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=405s) >> Yeah, I do. I It's interesting reading what Harry Kane said after the France game that in the second half we fell back into the same kind of trap we fell into in the Argentina second half and that that's something they've got to work on and that Tukul was right to pick them up on that that there are things that we're just doing wrong when we come under pressure which we need to learn from and improve on. I mean I you know I I I thought the abuse that Tukul took after this was way overblown. In the end we had the best performance in a World Cup since 1966. That is indisputable.

[[7:18]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=438s) >> Depends what you think. I mean Hang on Pierce. I I don't like losing. Depends what you think. >> I don't like losing. Coming third is not winning. I agree. But we did still have the third. >> No, but you can't you but you but but no serious observer Pierce. Come on now. Pack it in. No serious observer is taking anything out that French performance because in the first half you got a French team that was two yards off being competitive. John will recognize it. He will know it if he's going to be candid in this conversation. He will know the French team. Couldn't couldn't have cared less.

[[7:44]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=464s) >> So we we were like a butterfly. There's no comparison between what they put out against the French in the second half. You saw England you saw the French get a boot up their backside put four players onto the live and the side up and England's response was to nearly to nearly the bed. And if they hadn't have been so profleate, the French, if David Alissi hadn't have missed so many chances, this game would have been out of sight. We'd have lost this game. >> The fact of the matter is they managed to get out of jail. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. J Bellingham's one of the goals. J Bellingham's goal. Jude Bellingham's goal was up there with Maradonas, right? So, we didn't we didn't moment. We didn't the bed. We remade the bed and we went back at them again. what we should have done against Argentina.

[[8:22]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=502s) >> The goal itself is individual brilliant from our star man throughout this tournament without a doubt. >> But I'm watching that game. There was only one team I thought that was going to go to go on to win that game and that was France. They could have easily won that game 86 which shows probably our defensive fatalities throughout this competition. We've conceded too many big chances. Both teams had 19 chances at goal in that game. It was end to end. It was it was a bizarre game to watch but

[[8:48]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=528s) >> dis disappointing for me and also with with two calls comments peers after the game. >> He's saying that it's in our DNA. >> He didn't take the two most technical players we probably have >> as well as you to the tournament. So he's taken a really big strong physical pacey side, loads of strong pacey individuals and then claims that we're it's not in our DNA to be really technical when you need and we spoke about Michael Owen talking about players being brave in this tournament.

[[9:17]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=557s) >> Cole Palmer and Phil Foden give them to the ball anywhere on the pitch. They will get you up the pitch. They will drag you forward and or they will commit a foul at any point. And we left our two best technical players at home. Well, so my but John, my response would be to that because I I watched what Graeme Sooners said about Declan Rice and Elliot Anderson and although I've already said I don't think I've seen enough from Anderson to justify his transfer uh fee and definitely not enough from Morgan Rogers to justify his. I think the market's gone nuts. But putting aside the valuation on these guys, when he says that Declan Rice, for example, is a limited player and he doesn't see enough football in them. I say, did you watch Declan Rice for Arsenal last season where we won the Premier League against some fantastic teams, right? We won it because Declan Rice drove us morning, noon, and night for the entire season. Now, Declan Rice, when he's fully fit, I think is one of the top midfield players in the world. So, I I if I've been with Graeme and with you 100% on that

[[10:17]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=617s) >> and I thought he was he was brilliant against France and the problem for Rice was he's played near I think 70 games of football right I mean when we played the Champions League final the PSG players have played on average 30% fewer games of football in the season than Arsenal's sacka when he looked knackered to me in the early rounds of this tournament the early games but against France he looked fantastic again as he was at his peak for Arsenal when he wasn't knackered same with Declan Rice when the guy these guys need protecting more. I'm not quite sure the best way to do it, but when when they are at their peak, Delan Rice is one of the best in the world.

[[10:56]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=656s) >> Pierce Pierce, with respect to you, and I'll take it from John, but I won't take it from you. I'm going to take the opinions of an excellent midfielder like Graeme Sunnes over your bias about whether your Arsenal boys. >> I don't think he's watched as much as I have. I'm going to tell you that. >> But but but but no, and that's your point, P. Where you are on solid I hear you. Were you on solid ground peers with Graeme's comment is that Graeme has watched him playing for England more than he's watched him playing for Arsenal. And I think the comparison between the Arsenal Declan Rice and the England Declan Rice, it's relatively fair for Graham's observations. If you look at Declan Rice in the first half and the French are two yards off, he looks like a world-class player. In the second half, he doesn't look like a world-class player. If you look at the third French goal, that was down to Declan passing the ball through the middle of the park that they that they they they intercepted. Look, the bottom line is we can pick out individual attributes. If your observation about the bias or the reaction to Thomas Tukul is not justified, if you make the kind of mistake and the kind of decision-making process that you said you would not make, that you said you would do differently from your predecessor and you made a song and dance out of it and the very moment comes that you were brought in for and you don't do it and the team if you've got a toddler peers and you've given him chocolate all afternoon and he wants to go to bed, right? And suddenly he doesn't want to go to bed, he wants more chocolate. You don't give him more bastard chocolate.

[[12:03]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=723s) You turn around and say, "I'm going to do something different." >> But what happens? Let me take your chocolate. I'm finished. I'm finished. Hang on. The chocolate analogy. Let me just take you up on that. >> Let's assume for a moment, we'll talk about chocolate. Imagine if you'd given that kid chocolate in the previous two nights and he'd actually slept like a baby. Cuz Tougl's argument is that actually tactically we pretty much did the same as we did against Mexico and Norway and it got us over the line. Ugly football as you called it. Now, jump in. Not for 40 minutes. I agree. I agree. And I would have liked to seen this being more free, but I do think it's been we were 5 minutes away from winning that game.

[[12:41]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=761s) >> That's what we need in football. >> We were we were we were we were we were 35 minutes away from conceding a goal at any given moment. So pack in the fiveminute observation, right? We might have been able to hold out, but the bottom line is is that we were 35 minutes away from conceding a goal at any given time. It wasn't a case of if, it was a case of when. And a manager that is rewarded, recognized, and eulogized as much as Thomas Tukul has been is entitled to get the brick bats when you make that kind of decision-making process. That unwinds the whole opportunity that the England team now should they could England's team beaten Spain. No, but they could have beaten Argentina and should have beaten Argentina.

[[13:18]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=798s) >> I agree with that. I agree with that. That's the challenge. >> But but JT the wider point I would make about the overplaying of our players, I think it gives us a massive disadvantage. Now you add the heat and the conditions and so on, especially how brutal the Mexico game was. I thought Harry Kane in the last two games, you saw the impact of the previous games on Harry Kane, right? And I think definitely on some of the other players, too. But putting that to one side, the mere fact that our players are playing so much more football than a lot of these guys they meet in these big tournaments. Is there an argument now to say, right, you know what we're going to do? We're actually going to do what they do in the Bundesliga. We're going to have two weeks off at Christmas and New Year. We're just going to stop playing. we're going to give the players a chance to recharge. You know, we're going to have fewer games or whatever it may be. I just think we're overplaying our top players and then by the time we get to a tournament, they they get knackered faster than the rivals do. From a retired player, it's hard to say the players play too much because I'll give anything to go back tomorrow and have one season or 70 games, whatever that may be. I I agree. I think a Christmas break would be will be incredible for the boys just to have a reset. I think it's the fans or the Premier League you have to convince. It's not the players.

[[14:27]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=867s) I think the players will be up for it now because there is a lot of games for these boys. And you want to see the best football. You want to see players playing at 95 100% week in week out. You don't want to see them tiring and at 70 75% because you get a you get a lesser game to watch. >> Yeah, I I think that Simon, I think we've got to rethink the structure of our game because I think we're just overplaying. We overrunning our thoroughbred horses, right? If this was a a stable of thoroughbred horses, you would you wouldn't let them run as much.

[[14:58]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=898s) >> No, absolutely. You wouldn't let them turn into old knobblers, would you? Look, the the bottom line is is I look at it and say, you're absolutely right. We're overplaying the players. The consequences of the financial decisions that are being made around English football mean that they're trying to generate revenue from everywhere you go. Look at the PSG Arsenal final. Pers, the reasons why PSG were so much pressure is because they arrested their players for 10 days in in advance of that Champions League final. And you can see the difference between the two sides. It's clear the the evidence doesn't need empirical data to support it. If your players are rested better and given more opportunities to be able to play less as many games but better structured calendar, you might see a better outcome international level. But the difference also is you've got to have better preparation and build towards an England team that has a culture set in it from a long way back. And that doesn't necessarily just mean by putting a best-in-class manager that I've hung on to thinking we get elite manager, it will make a difference. Would you get rid of Would you get rid of Thomas Tul now?

[[15:50]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=950s) >> Yes, I would because I think the very purpose it was brought in was to make Yes, I would Pierce because I think if if I'd given Thomas Tukul the brief right and if the brief is as I understand it to be which is make us better than we were before take the opportunities that were there and be the very best version of ourselves and build towards a tournament on that basis and that basis alone. If I do a review after that as the FA chairman and I go was that the basis of what the brief was given to you was that performed? My answer would be no. My next question would be, are you worthy of a second go at the wheel? Do you learn lessons? Listen to his press conferences after the Argentina game, listen to his press conference on a Friday and listening to his press conferences after this France game. I think Thomas Tuka, whilst being a very good manager, is a bit too comfortable with what he thinks he knows and what he doesn't know. And so I look at it and go, hm, I think this experiment hasn't worked. I am actually be coming around to the conclusion that the John Terry's of the world that that dealt with Fabio Capello, the generation that dealt with Spangor and Erikson and this generation, you need to perhaps have an England manager that relates to the nuance and context of the nationalities of the team that he's managing. That is why peers, nobody has won a World Cup with a foreign coach.

[[16:55]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1015s) No, I know that may well be the reason why. >> I thought this was going to be the year that would get challenged by either Angelotti or Tukul. I was wrong. You know, as as we're talking, breaking news from Italy, uh, that Italy have held talks with Pep Guardiola today about becoming their new head coach. And there were reports, JT, that England had been looking at Pep and talking to him as well. You know, how frustrating would it be, do you think, if Guardiola ends up managing Italy if we could have potentially had him at England? Would you have preferred that to Tukul? And I go back to the point of going, do I agree with foreign managers managing the national side? I probably don't. But if you're going down that route, you only go and get the best. And if he's available, you have to go and get him to me. Mourinho nearly become Chelsea man England manager back in 20067. Had extensive talks with um with the FA and was almost going to do Chelsea and England and take us into the into the Euros or World Cup. I can't remember what it was, but I think if the best is available, you go and get it. And Pep is the best

[[17:55]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1075s) >> by a million miles. But would you fire Tukul after one tournament where he comes with the best performance since ' 66 for the England team? >> No, I wouldn't. But I'm really critical of him and I think the fans can be critical of him because I think he's failed. Like I agree with Simon in terms of that. We've brought him in and we all sat here at the start of this tournament to go if it comes if push comes to shove at the end of it. Will he make those right calls? I was a big believer that he would he'll make the big calls. He's seeing Harry Kane on a daily basis. He's having conversations. You can see these boys firing. There's no one that knows these players better than the manager at those moments. Take him off. Make a big decision. Like it was crying out for Madawi up front. Make those decision. He put him on in every other game other than the game we needed him in. It it was crazy. I couldn't believe what I was watching Pier to be honest. So I I think he's failed and I think he's failed the players to be honest. Um the way he's dealt with it. don't I don't also like the way he spoke after the game, shifting it on to the players and the the DNA of the English players. So I'm not in the camp of sacking him. I still think he's a very very good manager.

[[19:02]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1142s) I'll stand by that. But he really has to now take >> So what so what is so what is the consequence for failure, John? In football too often there's always another gain. There's always another someone else to pay a bill. There's always something else that can occur. Surely if you fail in life, in any walk of life, there has to be a consequence. It can't just be all right mate go again. It has to be a consequence surely. >> Simon, I'm with you. But where do we where do we go if we decide that we we spoke about Eddie? How do we go? Lamps lamps at Coventry. Do

[[19:32]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1172s) >> you know? Do you know what I think? Do you know Do you know what I think, John? Do you know I think here's something I never thought I'd hear myself say, right? And you're probably going to spontaneously combust when I do say it. >> I would consider Lee Ksley. You know why? Because he knows the DNA of English players. He understands the culture of the team. He's won things with England like Scaloney, like Deafuente at Spain. So when you're building an international team, you've played for both domestic level and international. It's a whole different dynamic when you've got Jurgen Klopp understanding the DNA of Liverpool. It's not because he understands the DNA of the play of of Liverpool Football Club players. It's because he related to the fans and got them a winning culture. But all the players in the dressing room were foreign nationals. They weren't all British players. So of course he could get them around to his way of thinking. I I think a lot of English fans would prefer an English man in charge rather than a foreign manager. So I think a lot of England fans would be with you. And also he would know half the group he's worked with uh with most of them in the other 21s with Ashley Cole, hasn't he as well? Listen,

[[20:28]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1228s) >> isn't it true isn't the truth though, John? England fans would love anyone that won us a trophy. And my my calculation now is the World Cup's been and gone. You know, yes, we failed. No question. This idea of winning a bronze, it's like the Olympics when you win bronze, you've come third, you've lost. Right. Fine. But it is it is our second best finish since ' 66. And Tukul's only had one tournament. We knew before this tournament, he had it for the next one as well. The Euros are in the UK will have home advantage. Many almost all of our top players will still be available in two years time and should be some of them like Bellingham probably even better than they are now. Saka and others rice all the perfect age you know I can absolutely see us winning in two years time the Euros and it coming home when we're at home

[[21:18]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1278s) >> well let's let's not forget France and Spain are in that world >> I know I know >> but listen I'm not in the camp to sat sat I'm really not I think what I would love to see from Tuko after that game to come out and go I got it wrong firstly in my squad selection and also tactically I got it wrong today but I'm telling you Now I will not make this mistake again. And yeah, it's far too late. I'm in Simon's cam as well. Where's the accountability? But I think he's a very good manager. And looking around at the moment, is there any other managers available? Probably not. I I think he'd be better for this without a doubt. But I think we're allowed to also criticize him for for the for the way.

[[21:57]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1317s) >> I agree. I agree. And Harry Kane, the exact quote I was looking for earlier. He said there are a lot of whatifs after the other night. This is after the French game. It's going to take time to process it for him as Tul as well. Just because he's one of the best coaches in the world doesn't mean he's going to get it right every time. The players on the pitch are the same. We all make mistakes and we have to try and improve. The fans have a right to be angry. I think Thomas knew more than anyone when he took the job going to be high pressure and high stakes. I can confirm that because he said he we talked about it in my local cafe as I said to you guys earlier in the in the run. He Kane said I think he needs to time to process it all. It's been a crazy journey. A lot of ups and obviously the big one big down. His first tournament as well. He's learned from the players, the pressure, the environment, the traveling that will only make us better for the future. And of course, next time there won't be any traveling other than up and down our own country. You know, I really do think if we if we just can avoid the natural tendency we have with football, with England managers and prime ministers and stick with one who we know is good, but just came up short here. I think we could win out.

[[23:02]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1382s) >> So, >> and I hear that. I I don't think there's any I don't want to be reactionary, but you and I don't want to go down the camp of throwing a baby out with a bath water. But if someone shows you what they are, believe them. I I'll go on even further if you want to go look at that absurd, embarrassing, ass clenching, cringe-worthy moment of a coach that we've all been listening to, right? Because we've all been wanting We're in a desert, right? We we'll drink sand and believe it's an oasis. This coach, Anthony Barry, that comes on at Halime with a French and trots out the most embarrassing load of embarrassing. I think I've ever had the misfortune. when he started talking about peers,

[[23:37]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1417s) >> that's the mindset that's around the players and that's the mindset that the manager brought in to talk to the players. Come on now. >> You guys show spoke about Argentina and the dark arts that they possess and a lot of teams do in in in this competition. >> I look at Argentina's second goal and you watch it back. Jed Spence gets fouled by Messi. If that's any other player in this World Cup, they're rolling around on the floor. So in terms of dark arts, I think that's on the players a little bit. We need to get as a country, we need to get better at that of rolling around at these major tournaments because any touch, any little flick is a foul. It could possibly be a yellow card. We're terrible at stuff like that. We need to get better as as as a nation at that.

[[24:21]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1461s) >> What would you do, Jed Spencer? An apology? >> No, no, no. I have to say, >> no, no, no. Not for that game, John. We we panned him. We panned him. both you and I said he wasn't good enough. Do do we owe an apology for his for his performances at the back end of the tournament? >> Simon, he's there as a defender in this World Cup. Defensively, I'm telling you now, I could pick his performances apart minute by minute by minute, chances by chance. The tackle he makes, he's so out of position, but he's so quick to be able to get back and make that unbelievable tackle. I have to say going forward, I thought he was excellent. But defensively, if he wants to pick up the phone, honestly, I'll happily have a conversation because he has all the attributes to be a top defender, physically strong, quick, but you look at you look at that chance that he makes that tackle, you look at the cross that Messi gets into the box, if that's if that's me in the last two or three minutes of a World Cup semi-final, I'm there, my legs outstretched, I'm doing everything I can to block it. Physically Messi shouldn't get near him, but he gets half a yard on him and Anderson gets a cross in the box that cost us the semi-final. So, defensively, no, I stand on it going forward. Hold my hands up. I thought he was excellent. Simon,

[[25:37]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1537s) >> by the way, on Messi and Dark Arts, there was a moment last night when he tried to get Cucurella sent off because Karella went like that on his hand, literally like that. And Messi immediately ran off like the school sneak to get him red carded. I thought that was disgusting. So all this stuff of St. Lenol, right, a supposedly the greatest player ever played the game went completely missing in the final. Completely leave him alone

[[26:03]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1563s) >> to the extent I didn't think he was even on the pitch, right? But secondly, not Mr. Nice Guy after all. Not Mr. Halo Boy, not Mr. Staint Lionol. He deliberately tried to get good sent off in the most shameless, horrible manner imaginable. Your thoughts? >> He's still He is still the greatest player of all time. That's a fact. wasn't even the greatest on the pitch yesterday. >> Tells me the >> Roger played him off the park yesterday.

[[26:29]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1589s) >> It tells me the mindset of the Argentinian players yesterday. >> Enzo and Maruka are very very very good friends at Chelsea and he was also trying to get his mate sent off in in the final and also you never see Messi do that. So it goes to show their mindset that they needed to get Kukare sent off yesterday. They they were way outclassed all over the pitch yesterday. Spain were the better side and thankfully they went on to

[[26:54]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1614s) >> I thought he was calmer Simon karma for the Malva's banner which was disgusting by the way and if imagine if the Iranian players had danced around a banner taunting the United States about the war in Iran imagine that right what would the reaction have been would the would the Trump administration have said that's fine do it again absolutely not >> no no exactly right that's why it's relatively hypo hypocritical for Giuliani uh come out with a load of old nonsense about he's a big advocate for freedom of speech as if there's this constant situation where we aren't. It was nonsense. It suit it suits them to make a point at other people's expense and they have double standards when it comes down to their own. But he does that. Andrew Giuliani is, you know, is very robust in conversations. He creates straw man arguments and then you're arguing against a load of old nonsense. But

[[27:40]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1660s) >> yeah, he's the Simon Jordan of the of of the American football world. >> I Pierce, I'll go high when you go low, mate. But the bottom line is is that you look at that you look at you look at that You you you look at those sort of things and you think these >> these kids that had nothing to do with a circumstance 44 years ago with a situation of a of a of a country that is indigenous population is solely British that was a that was a piece of property that the Spanish seemed to think they were entitled to because when they were given independence from the Argentinians 300 years ago. It's a load of old nonsense and it shouldn't be on a football field. And the only thing I'll say in defense of the players is it wasn't their banner, right? It wasn't their banner. It was given to them by some some football fan.

[[28:23]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1703s) >> Of course they did. It's jingoistic peers in the same way that they were they were revved up for their national anthem. They used this as additional adrenaline. And I just wish we had something that we could have bitten down on to give us that additional bit of adrenaline from the minute 55. >> Let's just there's some other breaking news actually just before we came on air which I just wanted to talk to you guys about which is the incredibly sad news of the death of Kevin Keegan. I mean JT, one of the all-time great English footballers really in history.

[[28:53]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1733s) >> Incredible talent. Pier and very sad to hear actually. And I I didn't spend much time with him in his company, but what you're hearing from everyone on the post today is um he just sounded like an amazing man. I'm very unfortunate I didn't get to to meet him or spend time with him, but an absolute legend of the game and you know, so many heartfelt messages going around the world today. Yeah, Simon, he you know he he he played at various clubs incredibly high level, but I remember him for England. He had an amazing engine, great technique, fabulous skill, a real desire to win. He was like a complete footballer, wasn't he, Keegan?

[[29:29]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1769s) >> Well, they also said he was irreplaceable when Kenny Delg came into Liverpool. But when Keegan I remember growing up as a kid and Keegan was the endorser of the Patrick Super Keegan boots that every kid had to have and he made this revolutionary move going to going to Hamburg in 1977 which was a complete and utter a breaking of the protocol of English players and then he comes back and in a way that only Keegan I live next door to Sir John Hall who employed him in when I was in Spain as I am now and and he spoke so passionately and fervently about Kevin and I was desperate to get Kevin. And I had you two Herberts on Up Front and I was desperate to get Kevin on there to do an interview with Kevin because you know you you have people in your life peers that you really admire and Keegan was those whether it was super whether it was superstars whether it was brute or whether it was going to Germany or whether it was leading the 1982 England team that disappointed but notwithstanding he was still at the front of it. Whether it was him as a Newcastle manager that bought that style of play in 96 or whether it was a disappointment of England, it doesn't matter. Whether it was Fulham or Man City in all his incarnations, Keegan was one of those that stood out and it's a really really sad loss.

[[30:35]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1835s) >> Yeah, I you mentioned Superstar because I loved that show when I was young and it showed so many facets to his character. the incredible physical strength and mobility that he had, the determination, the will to win, the courage even when he got injured fighting on you know he was a fantastic role model wasn't he apart from anything else in all ways in all ways he did I saw him do a couple of speaking engagement he worked with my Michelle on something and a project with a with a northeastern business he was an inspirational character like all of us he had his challenges I don't think he was the easiest manager to manage at certain times if you're an owner, but he was charismatic and he was enigmatic and he was a hell of a player and you know I read his book which was interesting but for me growing up with Kevin Keegan and watching him as a player in a in a difficult period for English football we didn't qualify for the 78 World Cup under Ron Greenwood we beat the Italians 2-0 as some sort of tipping of of our head towards the fact we didn't qualify but he was a superstar not just a participant in the show superstars with Brian Jackson and Jeff Capes and all those people peers but a real superstar and it's a real sad thing for him and his family and for football fans to lose him at a comparatively young age of 75.

[[31:49]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1909s) >> Yeah, absolutely. Wholeheartedly agree and endorse those uh views. Get back to the World Cup, John. You were actually at the Oval Office with President Trump. >> I was peers actually. Yeah. >> What was that like? Why were you there? Were you putting him right about the Iran war or what was going on? >> No, definitely not. We just got invited down to um to meet and have a photo. I actually mentioned that I was on the show with you and he had no clue who you was cuz

[[32:18]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=1938s) >> I teed you up for that cuz I messaged you at the time and say yeah just tell him you work with me and you'll be fine. You probably get the keys to the Oval Office. >> Um it was interesting because I I had to laugh. I I did actually find it very funny because obviously Trump loves being the center of attention. Obviously, if he could possibly get away with it, he was gonna try and be in the winner's picture. And there was this comical scene, like almost comedic, wasn't it? When you had Infantina running on to try and drag delicately Trump out of the picture because you could see Rodri was waiting for him to exit so they could get a clean shot of the players. And Trump like hung around like a like a naughty school boy on the end of it. And then Spain, when they released their official picture, they'd airbrushed him out. I don't know if you noticed that. Um, but in the end, I would say that the Balagan incident was terrible for Trump without him even realizing and particularly for Infantino. Other than that, I got to say, fair play to the Americans in particular. It was a brilliant World Cup, superbly run as a tournament. The ge the geography, which we're all worried about, actually wasn't really an issue. and that augers quite well for the next one in Spain and Portugal and Morocco where the distances will actually be shorter. Um and I thought that there were some fantastic games and crucially I think for any tournament most of the big stars turned up and put on great performances whether it's Messi or Harland or Ronaldo fleetingly or uh Bellingham Kane you know you picked all the players before the tournament you would want to do stuff which caught everyone's attention it happened you know I thought I thought John that it was a you know overall a very successful tournament. What did you think? I thought it has to go down as the biggest and best World Cup since I've been alive to be to be honest guys. I thought it was excellent and also being around a lot of the stadiums as well. There's a lot of in the world at the moment and a lot of negative press and I have to say you don't often see this in the UK as well with supporters. We're so tribal back here. But you had fans sitting next to each other from different countries.

[[34:24]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2064s) >> Listen, there was small incidents. Of course there will be. on on the whole I thought it was excellent the way people were getting on and it's just nice to see that side of the world I in in today that we live. So firstly, that's great. But on the flip side of that, the football was excellent. Like you said, the top boys really, really turned up for this tournament. And I don't know if you guys see it. When we went to meet Trump, he spoke on stage with Giani next to him and he brought up the Balagan incident and thanked him again in front of everyone. It's been it's been

[[34:54]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2094s) >> he doesn't get it. >> Giani was there like, "Let's move on. Let's move on." But it was quite funny. But I have to say, fair play to FIFA and America. I thought they done it excellently well. Yeah, Simon, you know, it's interesting because overnight there was another fascinating story about the insight of some of these American sports stars. Bryson Desambo in the open when he had this little argument over whether he'd rustle back the grass behind him to give himself a better lie to play a shot gets a two-shot penalty. It's could have ended up costing him the tournament as it turned out. But it's now been confirmed from multiple sources that he he called Trump, who he's a mate with, Trump's taken part in his YouTube challenge of breaking 50. He called Trump to try and get involved in that. And I'm sure he did it because he saw what he did for Balagan. So the the problem with what Trump did there, even though he doesn't get it and doesn't care, Infantino should have got it and should care. And you've now got other American sportsmen in other sports thinking, I can just call our president and he'll fix it. I mean, it's ridiculous.

[[35:57]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2157s) >> Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have difficulty giving getting me to give more than two about golf, but the the reality of what um >> JT and I can talk you through golfit it's for the elite >> I'm sure you can >> to go all right with people with athletes foot more like um if if you're looking at this tournament. Yeah, you're John's absolutely right. It's got 48 teams. It says the biggest tournament. It's got 6.8 million tickets sold which was better than the biggest other World Cup before which was where in the US with three million tickets. the problem with this World Cup and also all the that we had to listen to leading up to this tournament about how ICE was going to do this and how Ice was going to do that. And I had a couple of unwashed, you know, lefty professors from Colombia telling me because they watched one game in the World Club Championship that they had empirical data that said ICE was going to invade every single stadium. None of that happened, right, Pier? But but the one thing that did happen, Pier, and this is the blot on the copy book, is we picked a scab. Trump picked at a scab about the integrity of the sport. Yes. And the inability to have authenticity and that will cause a ripple effects. Yeah, I agree. And I realize you can only step perhaps step in a ripple once, but what you saw there was Infantino at his very imolient worst.

[[37:05]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2225s) >> Yeah, I agree. >> And that is a challenge, Pierce. >> No, I totally agree. I thought what Infantino one though, Simon, you called it from day one. The outcome of it for the player was the right thing to happen. So I again I'm sure FIFA come away from this and going right let's have a let's have a view of these yellow cards red cards after games. Yeah. I mean, look, I just think there's no point. >> There's no defense of the Balagan thing at all. And actually, I felt sorry for him to a point, but if I'd been Balagan's advisers, I'd have said, you know what, don't play. Don't play. Even though you're now being allowed to, just don't play because I think it cost I think they lost all their juice, the Americans. They were doing really well. But if you I bet if you ask Pochettino, what are you talking about?

[[37:48]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2268s) >> They won 4-1 after that. >> Yeah, but I Yeah, but I bet if you ask Pochettino, he threw them off their game. all that attention on suddenly they went from the golden boys of the tournament the home side doing great to the to the cheats and it's not you know mentally that's got >> shut up shut up peers lasso >> peers lasso did you call me >> hey that can see that

[[38:13]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2293s) >> peers lasso that's the takeaway of this world cup uncensored >> peers lasso let's go to a less contentious matter who was the who was the biggest prick of the tournament >> the It's a strong word, prick. >> Well, come on. We all use it. Come on. We all know what we mean by that. >> I know who mine is. It was the Argentinian, what's his name? Pedz or >> Paredes? The guy that started the fight last night. I absolute little rat. So, he's getting my prick of the tournament. Um, John,

[[38:46]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2326s) >> sorry, I can't hear you guys. >> You're not all going shy suddenly, are you? No, I'm going to repackage prick into disappointment. I'm >> Simon. >> I'm going to repackage prick. I'm not going to go down. Here's his route prick. I'm going to I'm going to repackage it into disappointment. And my biggest disappointment, I'm sorry. I don't care who doesn't like to hear it and thinks I'm being reactionary is tal because I backed I based all my arguments for the last 18 months and five years of the vitriolic comments I've made about Gareth Southgate on this guy's ability to be able to make a big decision at a big time. So rather than say he's a prick because I don't think he's a prick, I'm going to turn around and say he's a bloody disappointment.

[[39:24]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2364s) >> John, who would your biggest disappointment be of a tournament then? >> Which is the the safe way of saying prick. >> That's a that's a tough question. I I have to say I was in a debate whether I watched England France game. I woke up so disappointed end up watching it. So I'd have to say us to be honest. I have to say just in the just in the manner appears because I thought we were we were good enough to get there. And in terms of the on the positive, the biggest w obviously Spain were the biggest winners, but outside of Spain champions and thoroughly deserved, I thought comfortably the best team. Who were for you uh Simon the biggest winners of this tournament

[[40:03]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2403s) >> other than >> Actually, Pierce, I'm going to sit I'm going to actually Pier, I'm going to climb off the fence and I'm going to go back to who's the biggest prick argument and I'm going to give it to Infantino. He he hands out Pierce Piece awards. I'm going to hand out prick awards. Here's prick of the competition for you, Infantino, because your job is to uphold the value of this bloody tournament. um who's you look at you look at some of the African nations and you look at some of the uh achievements there and because you know I spent a lot of time talking to one of your once upon a time favorite people I suspect peers not so much after you handed him out Arson Wenger and his big attitude towards development of football around the globe and believing that the opportunity to invest more in countries that currently don't have the infrastructure will produce more players for around the world which means all the big clubs can't just hoover up all the talent so I think if you look at the cap verdies of the I think if you look at some of those sides that performed in this World Cup that showed you that beyond the conventional orthodoxy of who you think is good and who you think isn't good that there were other opportunities to be engaged and interested. That doesn't mean I want to see Capo Verdie in the final against Saudi Arabia, but it doesn't mean that I don't respect what they've achieved.

[[41:05]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2465s) >> Yeah. And John, I thought their goalkeeper in particular, the guy who went from a few thousand Instagram followers to 30, 40 million, whatever, I mean, you know, and then retired having not lost a game in the World Cup. I mean that's an amazing performance by those guys and particularly by that keeper. >> Incredible. That has to be the plus side from it. There was a lot of kind of arguments about Kate Birdie being in it and other teams expanding the World Cup. That's got to be the biggest plus from it. One one really good story from them. But also him he was around the FIFA boys at the end of it and the response he got from people around stadiums was was incredible. Like they absolutely loved him and listen he's put him on the map now as well. He's out of contract. So any club's looking for a goalkeeper.

[[41:48]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2508s) >> Yeah. >> Well, just for his social media support alone, the Optic came measure his worth by his followers. Peers will have him at Liverpool. >> Optic came out with their team of the tournament. Um I guess it was probably fairly predictable in most positions. I don't know if we've got it here. >> Yeah. Can you Can you guys see that? >> I can't see it. No. >> Oh, you can't see it. Okay. Um actually yeah

[[42:15]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2535s) >> you can see it Simon can you? >> Yeah. Yeah. Can you? >> Yeah. I mean it's fairly predictable I think. I mean John who would you who would your standout players be for this tournament do you think if you're thinking about goalkeeper defense midfield strikers? Give me a few names that you would put in the mix. >> Stand out that I would have in for me maybe the Spain goalkeeper. Rodri has to be in Bellingham. >> Yeah. Alisa I thought was excellent. Um, yeah, they're the obvious ones for me.

[[42:46]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2566s) >> Who were the best defenders for you? >> I thought Karella was excellent. >> Yeah, actually. >> I mean, if I'm a Chelsea fan, if I'm a Chelsea fan watching Karella in that World Cup, yeah, you got 50 million for him, but you've lost one of the best defenders in the Premier League by miles. >> I said I said this when we lost him when he got his move to Madrid. I said it, I'm really disappointed. I think one-on-one defensively, we spoke about the battles he has with with Saka. I think it everything I see as a Chelsea fan now, I see in him as a defender, aggressive in people's faces, wanting to win. He cares. I see him around the training ground. He's a winner and we've lost a we've lost a,

[[43:26]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2606s) >> you know, a World Cup winner. He's an incredible player, really good person. And Mourinho is going to love him at Real Madrid. He's right up. >> I think any team would love him. I'd love him at Arsenal. Every time he's played against us, he's been like that. It's not like he turned it on for the World Cup. He is that is who he is. I think he's a big big loss to Chelsea. Chelsea have though, John, signed Morgan Rogers. 117 million for Morgan Rogers. Does that make sense to you?

[[43:51]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2631s) >> Don't worry about it. >> Don't worry about it, Pier. It's circular money. I mean, the big the big thing is not the transfer fees because they go on your balance sheet and they depreciate over a period of your contract, right? And if you flip a player out halfway through his contract, you can still make a book a kind of profit. It's the wages that you need to be concerned about. So, I've lost my I've lost my sort of rancor and agitation probably because I don't have to write checks anymore about transfer fees because I just think they're circular money. Is anybody worth £100 million? Is Tom Cruz worth £100 million to make a film? I I guess beauty in the eye of the beholder. Chelsea can pay seemingly without with impunity or any sort of governance whatever they seem to want for players. Um, and it's difficult to argue that a a player like uh Ellie Anderson is worth 116 million quid. It's difficult to argue that um this kid is worth 150 million Morgan Rogers. By that logic, you got to be paying 250 million quid for Erin Harland, haven't you?

[[44:44]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2684s) >> Yeah, John Arsel was supposedly in for Morgan Rogers and we're nearly getting it over the line, blah blah blah. Suddenly we wake up and Chelsea have done it, but they've done it for this gigantic sum for a guy who wasn't starting really for England. Certainly not a first choice, I don't think. You know, what do you feel about that? I mean, obviously he's he's gone to Chelsea. He's a good player, but with that and the Elliot Anderson transfer, can can you get your head around the numbers?

[[45:11]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2711s) >> The numbers are are inflated. That's not the players's issue for me. He's obviously joined a club that's got the potential of winning the Champions League and has history of winning the Champions League. So hence he's he's gone for us rather than the red side of London peers. But listen to be honest if you're him you would have probably gone Arsenal. So the numbers must have been pretty big. But I'm excited to have him. I think he's I think he's a good player. I think he's going to give us better than what we've got at the moment. Um I think he's a good addition to the squad and I'm actually excited to see him. that players like this, they now have the option to go, you know, they can pretty well call the shots for a large number of clubs around the world. Looking at this the the world football right now, JT, how much would money come into play and how much would the chance to actually go and win things override that?

[[46:02]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2762s) >> For me personally, you mean? >> Yeah. Now, in today's environment, if you were playing now, >> it it's really difficult to say. I was at Chelsea from the age of 14. So you end up falling in love with your football club and the support. You you have a rapport and a relationship like no other. So I can't really speak for probably 95% of the players that are probably looking at this differently to the way I felt. >> I never wanted to leave Chelsea. Saying that we had an owner that had big and deep pockets. I was offered contracts that were the equivalent of other clubs around me and I was, you know, fairly paid that I probably wouldn't have got any more money elsewhere. So, it's a really kind of probably unfair question to ask me without being too too lawy. I I love Chelsea and Chelsea's my club. So, um for me, I I don't get it. But if you've not got that relationship like I had, I also can understand it because I have to say once you finish, you finish. You're out the game. And these boys are very young when you do finish. So to me going if someone

[[47:00]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2820s) >> if someone like Real Madrid had come in for you and offered you more money than Chelsea were paying would you have gone to someone like Madrid? >> No I wouldn't have. So it wasn't about the money for me. It wasn't about I just listen again I was really lucky at Chelsea. >> Put the money to one side. A club of that stature. >> No I I I never wanted to leave Chelsea. >> I I don't know how else I can answer it. It's really it's listen I I spoke about the supporters early on in this podcast about the relationship and also at times when I was or had offfield problems it's those guys that sung my name

[[47:36]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2856s) >> and when you go out you don't forget stuff like that I I think football's different now it's viewed differently by players for me I never forget in my deepest and darkest moments those supporters were there for me and it was for me going I'm going to give everything back and that was my way of doing that was being loyal >> you I always I always use the Soul Campbell test, which is as an Arsenal fan, I absolutely loved it when he crossed the North London divide and came to Arsenal and helped us win a number of trophies. But I do wonder what he thinks in those quiet nights now when he's so hated by all the fans that worshiped him at Tottenham and always will be. And you I just wonder does you know, Simon, do you reckon he regrets that? Do you think players that do that uh regret it or not? Well, I've I've I've met I've met Soul a few times, and I wonder what he's thinking. Full stop. Um, but um, no, I don't think he I don't I don't think he does. I think Soul, and John will know him relatively well as well, is a very single-minded character and has very single-minded views. I saw him the other day uh, talking on one of the other shows, making no sense about the potential job at Nottingham Forest. I think Soul is an island. I think he's very comfortable. And I think there's something to be admired about single-mindedness, whether it's blind single-mindedness or or or you know, or ignorance depends where you want to look at it. But I don't think Soul Campbell spends any time dwelling over the distaste and hatred that the Tottenham fans have for him. Except sometimes, I suspect when it comes right on top and he's physically confronted by someone that's spitting bile at him. But, you know, you of course have your view on it, Pierce, because you were the winners in that particular equation.

[[49:08]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2948s) >> Yeah. And I listen, I I agree with you. And I also think that football clubs spit out players, you know, in a heartbeat if it suits them. So I never ever be regrudge players who do that kind of thing. Although actually I still have a grudge about Robin Van Persie going to Man United. That did piss me off irrevocably. There's no way the league that year as well, Pier. >> And do you know what he did? Do you know what he did? He sent me a double-sided framed photograph of himself, right? Nobody cares

[[49:37]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=2977s) >> in his Man United shirt celebrating with the # tears for peers love Robin signed personally sent it to the end of the season when he won the title United. I mean that that was sickening. >> We lost out on the title that year because of it. So >> I remember disappointed as you. >> Yeah, I remember. Uh guys, that's it. We've had a fantastic uh run World Cup on sensor. Thank you both very much for doing this. It's proven incredibly popular as you know. The last episode got nearly a million views. I'm trying to pretend it wasn't because I wasn't on it. Um, but it showed the strength of the brand and and is fantastic and you guys have been fantastic. So, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I have. I know we're in we're in what they call secret talks about doing more stuff together, which I I hope we can we can get. But for now, for World Cup uncensored, thank you both very much because it's been brilliant.

[[50:32]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL9_qq3PvM&t=3032s) >> Cheers, Simon. I've loved it. Thanks guys. >> Well done, John. You've been brilliant, John, by the way. >> You both have. We all have. We're all brilliant. And I think it's that that humility that has really bonded us and touched the nation. So, thank you very much, guys. All the best. >> Cheers, guys. Take care.


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